Obama Moves away from 'Freedom of Religion' toward 'Freedom of Worship'?
Words matter - listen carefully to our current administration
Since the initially strong language on religious freedom used in President Obama's Cairo speech, presidential references to religious freedom have become rare, often replaced, at most, with references to freedom of worship. A purposeful change in language could mean a much narrower view of the right to religious freedom. Does this change of language indicate a change of policy? As Catholics, this is an area where we must remain vigilant. These small changes can be used to change our perception of rights and freedoms.
'Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ.'
WASHINGTON, DC (Catholic Online) - The change in language was barely noticeable to the average citizen but political observers are raising red flags at the use of a new term "freedom of worship" by President Obama and Secretary Clinton as a replacement for the term freedom of religion. This shift happened between the President's speech in Cairo where he showcased America's freedom of religion and his appearance in November at a memorial for the victims of Fort Hood, where he specifically used the term "freedom of worship." From that point on, it has become the term of choice for the president and Clinton.
In her article for "First Things" magazine, Ashley Samelson, International Programs Director for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, stated, "To anyone who closely follows prominent discussion of religious freedom in the diplomatic and political arena, this linguistic shift is troubling: "The reason is simple. Any person of faith knows that religious exercise is about a lot more than freedom of worship. It's about the right to dress according to one's religious dictates, to preach openly, to evangelize, to engage in the public square. Everyone knows that religious Jews keep kosher, religious Quakers don't go to war, and religious Muslim women wear headscarves-yet "freedom of worship" would protect none of these acts of faith."
In the administration's defense, Carl Esbeck, professor of law at the University of Missouri, is quoted by Christianity Today as saying, "The softened message is probably meant for the Muslim world, said. Obama, seeking to repair relations fractured by 9/11, is telling Islamic countries that America is not interfering with their internal matters."
Let's be clear, however; language matters when it comes to defining freedoms and limits. A shift from freedom of religion to freedom of worship moves the dialog from the world stage into the physical confines of a church, temple, synagogue or mosque. Such limitations can unleash an unbridled initiative that we have only experienced in a mild way through actions determined to remove of roadside crosses, wearing of religious t-shirts and pro-life pins as well as any initiatives of evangelization. It also could exclude our right to raise our children in our faith, the right to religious education, literature or media, the right to raise funds or organize charitable activities and the right to express religious beliefs in the normal discourse of life.
In the Second Vatican Council's Declaration of Religious Freedom entitled "Dignitatis Humanae", the Church summarizes this right: "Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ."
As we can see, the practice of religion permeates the very fabric of our lives. It cannot and should not be separated into approved and non-approved expressions. Unfortunately, such limits are being instituted across the globe. Samelson writes, "The effort to squash religion into the private sphere is on the rise around the world. "And it's not just confined to totalitarian regimes like Saudi Arabia. In France, students at public schools cannot wear headscarves, yarmulkes, or large crucifixes. The European Court of Human Rights has banned crucifixes from the walls of Italian schools."
The list of countries and limits is growing constantly.
Michelle Boorstein, religion reporter for the Washington Post, notes that "Knox Thames, director of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom -- a Congress-controlled body tasked with monitoring religious freedom abroad - spoke at a recent briefing about the worry, reportedly saying he sees a change in lingo and that it's not an accident."
In presenting a forecast of religious freedom for 2010 to the House Subcommittee on International Religions, Human Rights and Oversight, Georgetown professor Thomas Farr stated, "Those of us in the business of sniffing out rats know that this is a rhetorical shift to watch." Farr was the former head of the State Department's International Religious Freedom Office.
Human rights lawyer Nina Shea, who is a Senior Scholar at the Hudson Institute, is also concerned. "I'm very fearful that by building bridges, we're actually stepping away from this fundamental principle of religious freedom. It is so critical for Western, especially American, leaders to articulate strong defense for religious freedom and explain what that means and how it undergirds our entire civilization."
Leonardo Leo, Chairman of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom made these remarks in the presentation of their 2010 Annual Report in April: "in the world of foreign policy and diplomacy, where every ...
In her article for "First Things" magazine, Ashley Samelson, International Programs Director for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, stated, "To anyone who closely follows prominent discussion of religious freedom in the diplomatic and political arena, this linguistic shift is troubling: "The reason is simple. Any person of faith knows that religious exercise is about a lot more than freedom of worship. It's about the right to dress according to one's religious dictates, to preach openly, to evangelize, to engage in the public square. Everyone knows that religious Jews keep kosher, religious Quakers don't go to war, and religious Muslim women wear headscarves-yet "freedom of worship" would protect none of these acts of faith."
In the administration's defense, Carl Esbeck, professor of law at the University of Missouri, is quoted by Christianity Today as saying, "The softened message is probably meant for the Muslim world, said. Obama, seeking to repair relations fractured by 9/11, is telling Islamic countries that America is not interfering with their internal matters."
Let's be clear, however; language matters when it comes to defining freedoms and limits. A shift from freedom of religion to freedom of worship moves the dialog from the world stage into the physical confines of a church, temple, synagogue or mosque. Such limitations can unleash an unbridled initiative that we have only experienced in a mild way through actions determined to remove of roadside crosses, wearing of religious t-shirts and pro-life pins as well as any initiatives of evangelization. It also could exclude our right to raise our children in our faith, the right to religious education, literature or media, the right to raise funds or organize charitable activities and the right to express religious beliefs in the normal discourse of life.
In the Second Vatican Council's Declaration of Religious Freedom entitled "Dignitatis Humanae", the Church summarizes this right: "Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ."
As we can see, the practice of religion permeates the very fabric of our lives. It cannot and should not be separated into approved and non-approved expressions. Unfortunately, such limits are being instituted across the globe. Samelson writes, "The effort to squash religion into the private sphere is on the rise around the world. "And it's not just confined to totalitarian regimes like Saudi Arabia. In France, students at public schools cannot wear headscarves, yarmulkes, or large crucifixes. The European Court of Human Rights has banned crucifixes from the walls of Italian schools."
The list of countries and limits is growing constantly.
Michelle Boorstein, religion reporter for the Washington Post, notes that "Knox Thames, director of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom -- a Congress-controlled body tasked with monitoring religious freedom abroad - spoke at a recent briefing about the worry, reportedly saying he sees a change in lingo and that it's not an accident."
In presenting a forecast of religious freedom for 2010 to the House Subcommittee on International Religions, Human Rights and Oversight, Georgetown professor Thomas Farr stated, "Those of us in the business of sniffing out rats know that this is a rhetorical shift to watch." Farr was the former head of the State Department's International Religious Freedom Office.
Human rights lawyer Nina Shea, who is a Senior Scholar at the Hudson Institute, is also concerned. "I'm very fearful that by building bridges, we're actually stepping away from this fundamental principle of religious freedom. It is so critical for Western, especially American, leaders to articulate strong defense for religious freedom and explain what that means and how it undergirds our entire civilization."
Leonardo Leo, Chairman of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom made these remarks in the presentation of their 2010 Annual Report in April: "in the world of foreign policy and diplomacy, where every ...
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Yes,the old saying.'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' is a falsehood indeed. When 'personhood' was changed to allow abortions this is a case in point. When the very meaning of the word 'square' as in square deal.was changed from being fair and honest to being outdated and naive..well how much more of a red flag do you want waved in front of that bull?After the agenda is agreed upon ,the next step is constant repeating of that new phrase so that the public becomes used to it as the new thing..and we cant be square now can we..?When Jesus did the coin bit it was a signal for the establishment that HE was a threat! He declared that one gives to Casear what is his and to God what is Gods...oops that did Him in for we must worship the state as God..as the giver of all of our freedoms(and of course the taker when it deems its time)....
IF THE IGNORANT IN THE LAST ELECTION DID NOT KNOW WHAT OBAMA WAS ALL ABOUT THEY SHOULD BE FINDING OUT FAST NOW. I HOPE WE CAN LAST UNTIL 2012
Ah, remember how he was touted as a savior? So many believed that cynical hype and voted for him, and now the demons are on parade. Let's smarten up next time and not listen to any more hypnotic hissing that comes out of the snake pit of the news media. With a few exceptions, anyone being persistently criticized in the media is probably good, and anyone being persistently supported in the media is probably bad, and yes, it's as simple as that. But then again, not all media are bad -- so obviously discretion is the thing that is most valuable. The best thing to do is stay close to God and don't vote for any more devils in human form. But how to recognize a devil in human form masquerading as an angel in human form? That's why you have to stay close to God (even if you're an atheist.)
The First Amendment promises no "abridgement" of religious practice and does not endorse some "right of worship." The two ideas are not interchangeable. The Obamas (and ilk) who profess religious faith and once belonged to a formal church have not appeared in any kind of formal religious setting since they occupied the White House. I do not believe they have an acknowledged faith, and for Barack Obama, his faith could be Muslim. He claims to have "converted" to Christianity at 26, but does not specify from what. I do not care if Mr. Obama is a Christian, Jew, Muslim, or animist of some kind. I do object to all of his non-tradional American programs and professed attitudes, He claims to disagree with the Constitution because it is a document LIMiTING his imperatives and his party's demands. I would not be surprised if this administration and its supporters were not interested in curtailing religious expression outside of designated religious houses of worship, Religion has driven many political accomplishments: recently Catholicism helped defeat communism in the old USSR and Eastern Block countries, previously Protestant anti-abolitionists in the US helped end slavery in the South and supported the North in the CIvil War, and the mid-century civil rights against segregation was powered strongly by many religions: Jews, Catholics, and Protestants. Christ said faith could move mountains, and it can. I think the left in the US is afraid of that power.
Well, looks like this Constitutional lawyer just appointed himself God. When are Christians going to stop turning the other cheek? What does this avowed atheist have to do before Christians wake up and say, "Oh, my God, how could we have let this happened." My personal opinion of this man that he is a Muslim, but this is just by opinion, but for now I will coin him an atheist. This man and those Godless beings who have all but declared themselves as deities that reside in the Legislative, and Judicial Branches of our government have all but sold out the founding principles of what got this Country to this point in history. We cannot expect any redress from these perverse adulterers, who have sold their morals to the highest bidder for political power. They masquerade around as Catholics, Methodists, Jews, and the other religions of the West, but they do not hold themselves true to their chosen religious rennets. The only thing that they hold true is our hard earned money and the political power to act as overlords to us. Go ahead Christians sit there and don't do nothing as these usurpers attack your religion and slap you so hard you will turn the other cheek. "God helps those who help themselves." So get off your backsides and fight back.
No one with a brain pays any attention to Obama or what he has to say. Freedom is a God given right. Freedom of religion is a God given right. Obama is a public servant; nothing more and oft times much less. For a man that has only attended a 'church' once in over a year and finds new ways to marginalize the Christian religion every chance he gets, his opinion does not matter much to me. He appears to have more respect for the Muslim religion than Christianity and that is his God given right. It is my God given right to ignore him as I would any misbehaving child.
No No. The first amendment states "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF".. Progressive is just another word for Marxist. Ever notice how the laws they make don't ever seem to apply to them? These idiots are there year round passing laws every day. We have plenty enough laws, but THEY choose what laws should be enforced. We lose more of our freedoms every day. Wake up, people. Your country is disappearing in front of your eyes.
This little tip of news has taken a long time to get to the public I wonder why? Probably it is considered safe now. Obama has the US in the palm of his political hand. He's in control. I remember the speech I read from Obama in Egypt It got my "Jammies in a bunch" I was so angry I could have saif=d many angry things to our Cretian Leader at the time. Unfortunately, I've learned since then He said it all on purpose. This is a man who has big plans for yjr US. None of these plans are for us, but for control;ing us and destroying the Life we spent 200 plus years building. Even fought a War to eliminate slavery, but no one is gratful for that............ Obama's Worship Word says, if I can trust Webster, we can Worship "WHAT?" A specific religion like Allah everyday.. When you see the Constitution it says "religion" which does mean whatever belief you happen to have. Christian, Muslim, Buddist, Catholic The Constitution gives you the freedom of your heart. Obama's word gives you a very narrow choice. HIS CHOICE. No signer of the Constitution would agree to that. Wars of Europe have been fought. Many people have been hanged, and burned at the stake over it. Many a tortue=re chamber has been opened for business to convert the masses. "How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin".......... America and the United Ststes Constitution has given us freedom from this and now Obama will bring it back. Perhaps it will mbe Allah or it will be Karl Marx "there is no God." Just remember what this dead man said.
Please spread this around. I found it on Drudge - it should be all over the news. I have maintained from day one that Obama is a devout if not hard core Muslim (not all are suicide bombers - keep in mind that the Jihad includes engineers, doctors, lawyers, politicians). He was raised as a muslim in Indonesia; this is crucial to his background. This article only reinforces his true intent which I believe is Sharia law in the U.S.. I have read "Ghost Wars", "Because They Hate" and now Muslim Mafia - it all ties in. Bill
Keep the message going forth, people need to understand the things that are at hand. Very good article.
A majority of Catholics voted for Barack Hussein Obama.
A majority of Catholics voted for Barack Hussein Obama.
Nino is right on target. It will be interesting to see in coming months how much the Obama controlled media starts to use the term " freedom of worship instead of freedom of religion. This administration is so Anti- American and Christian that is has become sickening. Obama must go in 2012 or even sooner would be better.
You're reading way too much into this. Obama and Clinton have to pander to their liberal base, and liberals hate religion, especially Christianity. So to skirt the issue, liberal politicians have to talk about "worship" because it avoids certain connotations. For instance, a lot of the green movement fancies that it worships nature, but would take offence at being called "religious".
This should not be surprising to anyone. Obama has no respect for our Constitution or Bill of Rights, let alone our Christian faith and is now allowing taxpayer monies to fund abortions. Christians have every reason to be extremely cautious of a person who is so secretive of his nationality and faith, is critical of our allies, yet so comfortable with our enemies.
For those who haven't been keeping up, some of the concrete ramifications of this distinction include prior restraint of free speech in public, to wit: an English minister was arrested for saying publicly that homosexuality is a sin. In California, the ACLU has succeeded in establishing prior restraint of free speech in regards to homosexuality in the public schools. If a tenured teacher criticizes or is negative about the homosexual lifestyle, they may be fired. By the way, this is the only "speech crime" they may be fired for. They can criticize Christians, Muslims, Jews, straight couples, etc. The gay lobby has succeeded in establishing a long list of "extra rights." There is a direct connection between those who would remake society and the marginalization of freedom of religion.
So why did a majority of Catholics vote for Obama? Its seems odd to me that so many people who call themselves Catholic live lives totally contrary to the Churchs teaching. I think its well past time for the Church to thin out its membership rolls; dump those who practice every morality and lifestyle other than Catholic. Purify the Church!
***Obama, seeking to repair relations fractured by 9/11, is telling Islamic countries that America is not interfering with their internal matters." And who fractured those relations on 9/11? And just how is it America's responsibility to repair those fractures? With Obama as Apologist-In-Chief, we awake a little more diminished every day. Up is down, top is bottom, liberty is slavery...
Bad things happen when good people do nothing. Any christian voting for a poltician that supports abortion, same sex marriage, ect, is cutting thier own throat. The USA was founded upon Judeo-Christian beliefs and we have told, by our founders, it will not survive without it. That simple.
Catholic church - Please wake up! See what your support for Obama has brought. Have you sold your soul to gain favor with this administration in the name of "Social Justice" only to find that we are paying for innocents to be aborted and that the socialist agenda of Obama is spreading? Has everyone been fooled by this Trojan Horse? I am sad for America and Americans of religious faith and pray that we can prevent further weakening of our society and the true standards of American Exceptionalism.
The author states that "religious Jews keep kosher, religious Quakers don't go to war, and religious Muslim women wear headscarves-yet "freedom of worship" would protect none of these acts of faith." This is where we as observant Christians are failing to reflect true Christian worship. True Christian worship is directed toward our Lord and Savior not how we congregate or corporately fellowship. When we allow worship to become nothing more than corporate forms and not everything we do in life then we have already failed.
This President and Administration are hell bent on instituting an EXTREME form of Socialism worse than Venezuela or Russia. They do not strike me as odd anymore. What strikes me as odd is both the Republicans and Democrats standing by letting this man do this. And you call yourselves Americans ?? REAL Americans would FIGHT for their freedoms. RISE UP AND IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT NOW !!! NOT IN "NOVEMBER".... NOW !!!!
Go with Christ our Saviour and achieve salvation forever. God is my shepard!
Obama simply wants to move away from freedom period.
As an Episcopalian, I was raised with the belief that the right of one to worship God as one see fit has been a fundamental aspect of our branch of Christianity. This holds true to me in regards to all religions for I am not the ultimate judge. I choose not to be a part of one religion or another for my reasons alone. My judgment from God will be for my beliefs and my sins. The Episcopal Church was created for a variety of reasons but most of which was to allow those did not believe in the papal power to express their faith without interference from Rome. When the left in the 1960s expressed ˜Freedom FROM religion they used idealistic and legalistic concepts for their argument. Including the break from the church that Lutherans and Episcopalians as well as other religions followed, that was, they had the right to NOT to be ruled by Rome, or in their case NOT to believe in God. In this same time frame, the very same people who expressed distain for established religions and who would later sing songs about imagining there is no religion was in fact the ones who brought forth their ideology of the eastern philosophies and helped push the ˜new Age: movement. This as well as the concept that there is not absolute power. Today, that seed sewn so long ago in rivalry to establishment now has brought forth a bitter fruit. The youth of that day are now the leaders of the Free World today. They show absolute distain for not only religion, but human life, and rights of the individual as a whole. Yes Virginia, elections matter. Staying at home in Protest has led to such bramble bush type leaders like Obama. With his nomination of Elena Kagan for Supreme Court, it is becoming g clear that he has no intention of respecting religion, or for that matter worship. How much longer before worship becomes internal faith or an outright ban of religion all together? Our society must go through this tribulation for a variety of reasons, but most of which we must be purged of the extremity of the left AND the right in the political arena and fight as individuals and as a whole for morality, truth and freedom. Simply because one disagrees with policy makers on such factors as gun control, or other social issues should not be a reason why one does not vote. It is not only Catholicism under attack here. This is a clear and unmistakable assault upon the religious right and especially the Pro-Life crowd and Christians in particular. Regardless if you are Catholic, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, or any other, this is a clear shot across the bow of our combined faiths by those who hold hate within their hearts. Regardless of political affiliation, all of us must start vetting out the leaders we choose over their individual beliefs of the rights of everyone else, rather than elect someone because of affiliation or because one wishes to ˜be a part of history and elect the first_______ president. Simply fill in the blank. Pray for this nation, because we WILL need it now!
Give me a break. The Obama administration change in the use of language means nothing. Stop acting like a martyr, no one is persecuting you.
This is a very thoughtful article that highlights how very small changes in policy can have major implications in the life of everyday folks. I would have highlighted the fact that "freedom of religion" implies the ability of institutions -- such as the Catholic Church -- to pursue their own goals in society, whereas "freedom of worship" is basically an individual right. The difference here is huge because most individual religious worship is done in an institutional setting. Despite the popular saying that "my spirituality is a private thing to me," in reality religion is celebrated as a public expression for the vast, vast majority of people. Institutional freedom includes the right to manage one's own property as one sees fit and use it for purposes one deems necessary to forward the practice of one's faith. As the number of religious land use violations increases in society this becomes a major concern for people of all faiths. It would be great to get Deacon Fournier on our program Research on Religion (www.researchonreligion.org) to discuss this matter in depth as I am very interested in matters of religious liberty, having written a recent book on the topic. Prof. Anthony Gill Author of The Political Origins of Religious Liberty
My mistake in the previous comment. I thought it was written by Keith Fournier. It was actually written by Randy Sly. Again, it would be good to get Randy Sly on our podcast program.
Seeing as how the largest religious group that voted for Obama. Seeing as how this same group hollers about no abortion and killing babies. Seeing as how this group has it's support to the libs. and itself is liberal from the pulpit to the collection plates. I guess you Catholics don't have much of a gripe. What goes around comes around and you are going to get the Obama up yours. You deserve any and all. Vote Democrat Vote for destruction of the Republic. War in Afganistan and dead troops not being reported daily like Bush had to endure. YOU ASKED FOR THIS CLOWN AND HIS FOLLOWERS SO SHUT UP AND QUIT WHINING.
This is no surprise coming from Obama! When you look at his background, particularly his "religious" upbringing and then listen to his speeches about the subject closely. You will see that he has a very "humanist" type view on religion. Personally I do not believe he is actually a Christian, but merely believes in the general concept of religion from a humanist perspective. In other words he believes for example, that people are getting together in church to help each other and stay acquainted more as a social interest rather than as a spiritual exercise to worship Christ. Thus the actual belief in God,the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is not his forte! Whether he believes in the actual existence of God at all is a matter of debate? I do not believe he does, but believes more in the Darwinian concept of human origin rather than the Divine concept. This is not exclusive to Obama, but is a general belief amongst the majority of those on the extreme Left. The anti-religious, humanist elements in the Liberal party have made gains in power as well as political influence in recent times and it shows in their candidates and political icons religious beliefs or lack thereof! There is a push towards this more humanist view of religion, not just in the US, but worldwide! For example people who in the past would have been considered merely as devout or Traditional in their respective religons are now "labeled" by the Liberal media as "extremists"! They also infer that in general these religious extremists are somehow "dangerous"? This humanist view of religion is accompanied by a political element which has increasingly been beating the drum towards a one world government concept in which the individual's rights and freedoms should no longer be the "model" but rather the good of the "whole" is most important? While this type thinking may be packaged as some type of "new" way of thinking it really is not. Actually it's a rehash of Socialist/Communist thinking put into a global concept! Religion in the New World Order way of things is viewed as a destructive influence which divides us and is the cause of conflict and thus needs to be abolished! There are some on the extreme Left here in the US who would have done so if they had that power? Luckily for us, there is a document called the US Constitution which prevents this for the time being! However this does not mean that this could never happen since those same interests have even proposed either amending or doing away with the Constitution altogether? This would serve several purposes for the "one worlder's" first, it would remove US sovereignty which is seen as a major obstacle to a "one world government", secondly, it would also allow the abolishment of religion which is also seen as an obstacle to the "new" way of thinking! This "freedom of worship" language is troubling since China claims to allow freedom of worship? Which is true to a limited extent, but it is well known that Christians, including Catholics of course are persecuted in China? So if religious freedom diminishes here in the US and is replaced by the "freedom of worship" concept I fear it won't be long before Christians, particularly Catholics, are persecuted here as well? This scenario was predicted in the Bible in the Apocalypse of St.John where there would be a world government as well as a one world religion which would not be a Christian religion, but would be presided over by the Antichrist! The prophecies of St.Malachy predicted the line of Popes which would take place until the End! According to St.Malachy's prophecies the current Holy See is second to the last? There is of course much debate about the meaning of the prophecies, especially the last Pope? Some believe he will be an "antipope" and others believe he will be the last Pope and will guide the Church through the Tribulation? There are some who believe that Benedict XVI is the last Pope because in the prophecies the last "numbered" Pope (number 111) is Benedict XVI? Either way there has been a "falling away" from the Church as well as an increasingly accepted humanist belief in society which discounts the existence of God? The play is afoot and the preparations are beginning to take shape for the One World Government as well as a One World Religion with the Beast and False Prophet at the head! All one can do is hold fast to the Faith in Christ and pray for deliverance of our own souls as well as those who refuse to believe! Jesus said "all these things must come to pass" before His return! God Bless!
Freedom of Religion is not the same as freedom of worship. Worship suggests a private practice whereas religion is a public profession. First we saw this with the "demonizing" of proselyting. Of course you have some that are obnoxious in trying to convince someone about their faith: but in the end: if you are not interested, tell them to "get lost". True Christians have NEVER converted others by persecuting them or coercing them at the end of a bayonet. The next thing was that Christians could not declare that the wicked would be turned into hell. That Christianity was the only way. That was considered unenlightened. The next thing was that Christians could not express their outrage at immorality. That is judging others. The next thing secularists demand is that religion be confined to the church and in no way impose itself on others in any matter. What Obama is suggesting with Freedom of Worship is that Religion be private, almost secret. This is the same model that was practiced in the Soviet Union and is practiced in the PRC, Cuba, North Korea, etc. The Bible says that the wicked shall be turned into hell and ALL NATIONS THAT FORGOT GOD. America at one time was country that loved God and followed Him. It seems to have forgotten God. Our great and wonderful Country - is dead: And that is one of the greatest tragedies of the last 1000 years.
The "tipping point" for Notre Dame occured 14 months ago, when they gave Obama an Honorary Degree. And still they refuse to http://www.FreeTheND88.org Shame on those who lead Notre Dame.
this is new. what is this heresy "freedom of religion"? Inquisition, anyone?
P.S. That Obamacare no one read and Harry Reid pushed through. Specifies FEDERALLY FUNDED ABORTIONS. Congratulations; you bunch of HYPOCRITES you are now going to personally pay for abortions. You say you believe in Heaven and Hel* then you better pack your firesuits and get ready to explain to the GOD you worship.
This seems like a tempest in a teapot. It is much more likely the wording is being used by the President not to criticize France whose lower house of parliament overwhelmingly approved a ban on wearing burqa-style Islamic veils this week, and even Syria which has banned the niqab, a face-covering veil worn by some Muslim women, in public universities. The issue has been debated across Europe, and Spain and Belgium have similar bans in the works. In France, which has Europe's largest Muslim population, about 5 million of the country's 64 million people are believed to be Muslim. While ordinary headscarves are common in France, only about 1,900 women are believed to wear face-covering veils. So the issue seems to be the President tip toeing around this issue NOT some major secret policy change on religious freedom.
The problem here is the size of our federal government. Over the last 50 years it has grown into the richest, most powerful institution on the face of the earth. Those now in power are wielding that power to have their way. Unfortunately, their way is what is good for them and the government, not what is good for the people. To have their way, they need to override the rights we are endowed with - including, but not limited to, freedom of religion. Look for a long term assault on all of our freedoms: they are getting in the way of what the government wants, which is complete control. My solution? We need to bring God back into the public sector and get government out. Put simply, more God, less government It took us a long time to this point. It will take a long struggle to undo.
Taken to it's next step would be the open door for intrusion of the government into doctrine itself. What can be taught and what cannot.
On the contrary, Obama has not simply narrowed the scope of religious freedom in "freedom of worship," but he has given special rights to Muslims by appointing people specifically because they are of that faith, and by dedicating our national resources and interests to pursue Muslim - specific goals (NASA: priority becomes "help Muslims feel better about their contribution to the sciences"). So we have a man who is as opposed to the principle of equality of religions before the law. But where are the left's accusations of theocracy? After all, they made those claims against Bush over Christianity. Words mean everything. Obama has twisted them with purpose and stealth for ideological purposes. "Man-made disaster" is not the same thing as "Islamic terrorist attack." "War on terrorism" is not the same thing as "overseas contingency operation." And finally, "freedom of worship" is not the same as "freedom of religion." The later would even characterize Saudi Arabia, which bans the building of churches and the entrance of non-Muslims into Mecca. As long as the religious guards don't bang on Christian's homes between the mandatory Muslim prayers, that's your "freedom of worship." The Bible burnings, public dress codes, separate roads for non-Muslims are irrelevant. All else is fair game.
What did he say in the election, words matter. One better believe that this is a deliberate effort to change us. Oh gosh, can we make it through the next two years of him?
I am an atheist. I am also a libertarian, however. I see no basis whatever for government to dictate the terms of religious activity for any religion for any reason, as long as those religious activities do not infringe human rights. I speak of the inalienable and perfectly-natural and universally-valid human rights of life, liberty, private property, and the pursuit of personal happiness. The first article of private property is "the self" and all other rights are derivatives of and flow from these cardinal rights. These rights ----The Rights of Man ---- are the gift of nature --- or of nature's god ---- and they belong to all human beings, everywhere. The left-wing atheists who ruled the Soviet Union and those who ape them even today, have never done anything to improve the circumstances of human life on this earth. Whatever our philosophical disagreements, men of faith are right to "focus like a laser" on the words and activities of government, everywhere.
It does seem that there would be a necessary privatization of faith if the "freedom of worship" becomes the new standard. What would you say then to France banning the burka? I would think that it is justified since Islam is an oppressive religion that harms women at many levels, but the argument here would mean one would have to support women wearing the burka. http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com
This is an important and valid observation. The current administration appears to be bent on changing or at least attacking most of our core values as a nation.
he studied under Marxists at University, taught classes on Saul Alinsky, has surrounded himself with Marxists, Socialist Progressives....old expression: walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a ??? he addresses the old, heretical beliefs of Liberation Theology....little surprise here....it's not a war, but a " man-made disaster"....it's not "religion" constitutionally, but "worship"....remind you a bit of the definition of "is" is?
This story is perhaps the most clear instance of catholic.org attacking obama over nothing more then semantics. Please, why don't you neoconservative Catholics stop making the rest of us look bad.
The majority of Catholics did NOT vote for Barack Hussein Obama.
Since the author is being as paranoid as he is being dense, allow me to clarify. What was being spoken about was a person's Freedom to Worship. Meaning, they have the right to worship as they please, how they please, where they please. Or not pray at all. "Freedom of Religion" gives credence to a noun, like a church or religious organization, as if unless you're praying at a church or temple, then you're not really praying (as if God requires certain designated "Free Prayer Zones" in order to hear them). Got it?
"Obama, seeking to repair relations fractured by 9/11, is telling Islamic countries that America is not interfering with their internal matters." Why. may I ask, does the esteemed professor Esbeck from Missouri, think WE have anything to repair? It's the radical Muslim world that owes us a big-time apology!!!! Enough with the pathetic apology tour, already!
This is very disturbing. Is the government going to put churches in ghettoes and not allow Christians to go forth to the world telling them the Gospel of Jesus Christ? This president and his administration seem hellbent, pun intended, on destroying the very fabric of American life. We must speak up now before it is too late. This is the most sinister administration that has ever been in power. If we are not vigilant, we will lose all are freedoms. When God is completely removed, there will no longer be any hope.
It was a horrible sin for Catholics to vote for Obama because of the "social justice" smoke screen he was putting up. I knew an FDR RC who voted for Clinton, a strong supporter of abortion, because Clinton promised to protect Social Security. Most people, including most Roman Catholics, put more faith in politicians and governments than in Jesus Christ. The priest and ministers in this country ought to tell people before communion that if they voted Dem or support abortion in any form, that they need to stay seated. I left the Church because the Church went to the Left and supported politicians who advocate abortion and the theft of property. I am ashamed of my former RC days because of the focus of the church not on the spiritual but on the comfortable.
Obama and the secular crowd around him in his administration are doing everything they can to demonize religion. They see religion as the "roadbump" in their way to an amoral society that all socialist/marxist/fascist governments NEED to survive. If they had their way, all talk of sin, etc. , would be BANNED AS HATE SPEECH. Although I may disagree with some religions doctrines, if they don't cause harm to others, they should be not only allowed, but protected by true democracies. Obama has NEVER been a religious man; he has always used religion as a way to gain potential voters for his elections. He actually sees ALL religion as an impediment to his delusion of Socialism "that works"................
a whole lot of people voted fom obama, not just catholics. the kool aid was shared by many in a sign of their faith in the "hope and change" they were promised by the savior. well i hope you like the :change" you're getting your only "hope" is that this guy will resign or just quit. don't drink the koolaid next time.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. This article is foolishness, pure and simple. If the President is going to restrict religion he will have to invalidate the first amendment and thats not going to happen. Anyway, its the Party of NO thas known for ignoring the Constitution, not the liberals. If anyone is going to restrict religious freedom its going to be the radically conservative Evangelicals or Baptists, not the Dems. (By the way, WORSHIP is the "Free Exercise" of religion.)
In the mid l950's U.S. Intelligence organizations were receiving reams of information that a movement was afoot to destroy the Catholic Church from within via the homo-sexual network. We saw the chickens come home to roost. A new tyranny is on the horizon. It is the one world government which knows that the Catholic Church is the bulwark of freedom as has been so eloquently seen in Poland where Pope John Paul II led brave Catholics throughout Poland to rise up against the atheistic tyranny of the USSR & crush & destroy it. The one world govt knows they will not be able to take over in the United States and in Europe as long as the members of the Church remain loyal to Pope Benedict XVI, the present Vicar of Christ on earth. This is the drama playing out now with Obamas, Clintons, and their ilk on the world stage today.
The demos used our taxes to buy votes. They've kept the receipts. They still own those voters. Nothing will 'change' until some years after we stop allowing congress to use our taxes to buy 'special interest groups.
Hate to put a damper on y'all, but didn't the Catholics vote overwhelmingly for Obama? Didn't many of you ignore his militant pro-choice stance, and took his Ric Warren debate (so-called) not serious enough? I know you are upset, but your voting choices have consequences. It sucks. We're in the same boat. However, moaning and wailing does no good, when you did this to yourselves. Doing something, like NOT voting for Obama or his puppet legislature, may help in the 2010 and 2012 elections. If you're all still wanting illegals to be included in the US, so the Catholic Church coffers cling rather than see red ink, go ahead, vote for Obama and vote with your god of gold. If you prefer lives, legal immigrants, and a halt to further invasions of personal liberties, vote against Obama and vote with your conscience for a change. Plenty of Protestants voted for Obama also, so no one is blameless.
Freedom of Religion, means your are free to worship whom you want, how you want and where you want, are to not worship at all. Freedom of worship simply means that you are free to worship the designated diety, person, place or thing in your own way. But you must worship that which the government dictates.
The religious community, especially the bishops, bear responsibility for the obama disaster unfolding before our eyes. The constitution is being remade in his image of social justice (state forced redistribution of wealth and state control over the smallest details of our lives). The bishops and the priests were and largely still are silent. They reap what they've sown. Shame on them.
Perception is real to the people that percieve it and Obama uses munipulation in all that he does. If he can alter the way people percieve things, he has successfully altered the way the world treats it.
Whether or not Obama intends it this way, over time it will still have the effect this article warns about. For that reason, there needs to be a loud outcry from the public against this language. Obama tips his hand about nothing regarding who he is personally. And I think that's how he likes it. That way, his supporters can see in him anything they wish, such as their savior from financial hardship and the rest of life's vicissitudes. We had better get to know the people we elect before we elect them.
While it is true the Catholics voted for Obama, so did a lot of other groups. Bashing the entire group is counterproductive. This article is a clear sign that the lock step support of Obama is eroding. Could the lock step support of Democrats be next? You can trace some of the Catholic support of Democrats to the elderly and their experience of the Great Depression. Obama is losing the elderly at break neck speed. Much of the remainder can be traced to Democrat union members. The Democrats are making sweeping legislative changes to cater to the unions to shore up this group. Manipulative at best -- weakening our nation further at worse. The Democrats are largely anti-Christian, and many ant--religious. Pray that all Americans will come to understand that the Democrats worship GOVERNMENT, which is their god. Then pray that the Republicans can quit acting like Democrats. We have a long way to go -- but we can turn this around with the help of God.
AT 84 years of age I need to express my opinion with regards to FREEDOM OF RELIGION. When we lose that, which in many area we already have ,we lose our our freedom in every other area and lose the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as we know it... We must at all cost protect our constitution and our bill of rights. The battle for our minds is being fought every day.............Whoever is most passionate for their aganda and willing to risk the most will win.. I know the christian is protected eternally but God gave us a will to make our own choice., while we are here.
Thank you for providling information that is not meant to scare us, but make us aware of what is going on with this administration that is trying to take our country of Chrisianity away from us and handing it over to other non-americans, non-Chrisitians. We all must get off our back sides and fight in a rightous way to let other countries know that God is still living here, in our hearts, and that we will do what ever God leads us to do to attain this privledge, and keep it. The whole world is watching us, and hoping we fail. We CAN NOT fail. All for the glory of God. He is our rock, and we must rise up again, and show the world how much we love God. WE LOVE GOD. IN GOD WE TRUST. Thank you
"seeking to repair relations fractured by9/11"? I think it was the murder of thousands of innocents by Islamic extremists that "fractured" relations!!! All are free to practice any peaceful religion in this country. Nobody is free to commit murder in the name of any religion!
Why did a majority of voting catholics vote for obama? Considering that his stance is pro abortion and pro extreme abortion techniques. Why would ANY catholic vote for such a person? Not only does Obama support abortion, but he was also known to be a supporter of the foolish agenda called social justice which is just jealousy and envy wrapped up in a bow. Does not God bless both the good and the bad. We have been commanded to not be covetous of our neighbor. Why did catholics drop the ball soo badly in 2008? They need to wake up and not vote so stupidly in 2010. Like voting for democrat pelosi who is a catholic and abortion enabler just like your buddy obama.
I am a Protestant with the upmost respect for the Catholic Church. What I don't understand is how so many inteliegent Catholics voted for Obama. The man first says how he plans to destroy us with abortion, gun control, socialism, and other far left values, then there was his Senate record when he was there, his lack of one substantial accomplishment, Larry Sinclair allegations (see you tube for more because this is to filthy to post here), and much more. WHY? WHY? WHY?
You stupid catholics pushed for this for at least 50 years or more and now you have it. Like it! I don't think you are smart enought to wake up. Bye bye catholics, bye bye freedom and bye bye America! Thanks alot!!!!
Thank you, Catholic Online, for this insightful article. Although I'm not Catholic, I, too, as a non-denominational Christian, cherish my freedom of religion. I had not noticed that the president had abandoned that term for "freedom of worship", and frankly, now that I see it, I am very concerned. Language, indeed, for the progressives is weighed and measured out with the exact amount of connotation and denotation to achieve their goals. However, those of us from the various Christian faiths must remember: We serve the Living Word of God made flesh! Guess who IS the Word, Progressives! And take a guess as to who created language in the first place! It's time we take charge again of language and refuse to be lulled into subtle terminology, definition, and language co-opting by those who definitely do not have our best interests at heart.
I'm not a catholic. In fact, I find the religion ridiculous and the church outrageous. But at least since the 1400s or so, you Catholics understand that you are a religion and not a sovereign political entity. Therein lies the only difference between the RCC and B. Hussein Obama along with his disciples; they don't admit that they are a religion and pretend that they are only a legitimate political entity. Well the crazy left should have the same right to religious freedom that the Catholics, Muslims, Jews, and Protestants have. They are the "Religion of Man," but are unfairly competing against other religions by pretending to be a political party and forcing unpopular laws against their version of heretics. How is this different than Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, or when the catholic church ran the governments, too?
If the Church is to survive and continue spreading the Gospel message it must realize and shun the dangers presented by the Obama Administration. Social Justice and collective salvation are anathema to religious freedom and charity towards our fellow man. This president, BHO is not a product of the main stream American culture. It seems the Church fathers in Rome have become aware and vocal of these dangers, now the social activist body must awake as well.
So now the Catholic Church is worried about the change in language. Is the progressive movement and Obama in particular supposed to give a rip what upsets the Catholics? Why should he? You brought this on yourselves. You have supported God knows how many liberal/progressive politicians who are in favor of abortion. The Catholic Church seems to turn a blind eye to the murder of unborn children when it has a political agenda to pursue. Unfortunately, the agenda the Catholics follow and support is one of Social Justice as in the kind preached by Socialists (ala Barry Obama). The country is heading right into Socialism and the Catholic Church has supported the policies, legislation, and politicians who are taking us there. Well Catholics, A reduction in religion is required of Socialism as it is on Marxism and Communism because religions and God are removed from society. Those political systems DO NOT believe in God as the state is the only deity. So while you lament the change in language remember that you brought this on yourselves. If you had lived up to your Christian responsibilities and opposed this then we would not be discussing the matter. Way to go...
As an atheist, I will forgive the postings on here that accuse me and those who think like I do of being of the same ilk as Obama. WE ARE NOT! He may be a Muslim, Christian, or Atheist, but I believe the intent here is far more sinister than simply limiting people's religious expressions. Freedom to worship is an ENTIRELY AMBIGUOUS euphemism. It lacks ALL attribution, thus making it possible and an eventuality for the only worship to be permitted to be worship of the state! Freedom of religion at least has the connotation of retaining a person's right to entertain their relationship with god, gods, or no god. Freedom of worship has no such qualifications or implication, leading me to assume that it's intent is devoid of any consideration for worship of god, gods, or no god. This represents a total abrogation of our ability to believe as we will, and nothing short of just that! -Oz
Interesting article. I don't doubt that Obama is playing to the anti-religious group. However, it seems to me that you people (commentors) are conspiracy theorists. You seem to believe that Obama is America's Stalin. Obama is a typical politician; I don't think he even personally cares that much about abortion. He simply makes it part of his agenda to make the pro-choicers happy. He's not Stalin. He may turn out not to be good for America, but if he's Stalin then Bush was Hitler (which he was most certainly not). Just because the left fell into a habit of demonizing Bush andblaming everything on him doesn't make it right for you to do the same to Obama. Besides that, it takes not only able leaders but certain circumstances to establish a dictatorship. Do you think the Russian Revolution ever would have happened if Russia was so poor? We may be in a recession but we're still one of thr richest countries in the world. It would take the genius of the millenium to topple the American republic in such a short time, despite how dumb and sheep-like the American people have become.
The word "worship" does not appear in Amendment I of the Constitution, it says RELIGION. Where are all the newspapers and big mouth Republicans? You reap what you sow. Thank you all who voted for BHO.
The "acolytes" of the new religion of the Left are in all the liberal, environmental, atheistic organizations, from the Audubon Society, Sierra Club, to the gay-lesbian groups. Thanks to the Catholics and Episcopalians who helped sponsor so many of the Liberals' agenda items, the chickens are coming home to roost.
Question is, if things got as bad as things got during the Spanish Inquisition (only this time the State would be trying to enforce a religion-free public square), would We The People allow our duly elected State Officers to enforce their new "worship" laws they passed against our will? Would We The People stand silent and watch while a street-preacher or a turbaned Sikh or a burka-wearing Muslim woman got hauled off to jail by the cops? If the Leftist Thugs try to pull this control of religion stunt, somebody is gonna get thumped. We The People know what the Constitution says and it makes no difference what any crooked cops or kangaroo-court judge say. The Constitution of The United States is the law of the land. All of this "administrative" unionized bureaucratic rule and regulation is a big load that needs to be dumped ASAP. Remember the "government" is us, We The People. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Just another example of why ALL Americans (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc.) need to pay a LOT MORE ATTENTION to the people we elect. It is also our DUTY to do our part to maintain the freedoms that the founding fathers secured for us. That means inform yourself about the cadidates, pray and then vote. When I read about how many Christians do not even vote, it grates me. I'm sure it also grates all of those who sacrificed to keep this country free. I hope more Christians get out and do their DUTY.
He moves us along in small, almost imperceptible steps. What he is working toward is, you have freedom of worship but you can have only one religion. Followed by 'this is the way you shall worship.'.
I am dumbfounded by many of my peers and professional contacts that still blindly accept what Obama says. Even when confronted with hardcore numbers from the CBO about heathcare reform, or stats on effect of stimulus, they claim it's all hype from the right. I attempt to remind then that I am not a Republican. I am a Libertarian who finds significant fault with both parties. What comes to mind is the dumbing-down of our schools - stifling critical thinking, the reliance on brief soundbites without confirmation, and an administration that is preying on the previous 2 issues to completely trounce the concepts our Founding Fathers established. And I recall that analogy of a frog in a pot of water brought to a slow boil who will cook himself...
How's that hope and change working out for you? Look, when Barry talked about a "fundamental transformation" of America, he meant it. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
Ummm, people need to grow up and stop believing in magic. The whole concept of a god is juvenile.
For the "holier than thou" Protestants and others who criticize Catholics that voted for Obama - consider that these "Catholics" clearly choose what they follow or ignore in Catholic teaching. They most surely are not truly Catholics, certainly not faithful Catholics. That includes the clergy at every level. The Church has weathered unfaithfulness and the separation of believers before - your very existence is proof of that. Those who stand outside the Church in defiance of some of her teachings denouncing those who claim to be inside the Church in defiance of some of her teachings is droll. The answer is not to attack the Church but to faithfully follow the Church - despite all; and not to be either misled by false leaders that "tickle the ears" nor by repugnance towards those who themselves betray the Church. The Church is under attack from within and without; it always has been and always will be. The answer is not to attack the Church but to defend Her as the Bride and Body of Christ.
Too many Catholics supported the election of the current President. His history was clear - he openly voted for all types of abortions, had lackluster support (at best) for Israel and had contempt for "traditional" Christian believers. Ahh - doesn't matter - take turn to talk at Notre Dame (we are open minded), have "pro-life" Catholic senators sign-off on a health care package that still has the federal funded abortion language in it (sorry - executive orders do not negate laws passed by Congress), give Israel the least amount of support from any administration, etc. Why am I focusing on Catholics (when many other groups helped)? Simple - Catholics are supposed to stand for something. Now we have an article worried about the difference of freedom of relgiion vs. freedom of worship. Sorry folks - we are way too far down the road now. You will not be able to stop this movement - regardless of the mid-term elections and regardless of who is elected in the 2012 presidential race. You will have to pick your God and follow only one - Read your Bible - it has the details...
Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. John 8:7 If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone Please do a little research before jumping to absurd and unfounded conclusions. If you choose to draw your conclusions before objectively examining the entirety an issue then it can only be assumed that you have a greater interest in performing a political hit job than on truly understanding the issue at hand or protecting those things which you claim are under attack. http://biblebeltblogger.com/index.php/religion/dont-these-obama-haters-have-the-google
Thank you for publishing this article. While we still have the freedom of speech, let us post this on our own facebook sites, so that others can read it as well. I am a Charismatic Christian, Protestant, and have much respect for Roman Catholics who are faithful to the Word of God. Please do get concerned, this is our children's futures we are contemplating! I'm sure well intentioned people of every denomination voted for Mr Obama. That is the past. Now is the time to first pray for his soul and his salvation, then speak up and act. I guess that's why I like the Tea Party Movement, they are speaking up, and they make sense.
By Obama's 1000th day in office, of all those who voted for him, only the ignorant and the arrogant will not be ashamed or sorry they did.
Judging from the direct quotes from Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton displayed in this article, I find absolutely nothing threatening. The writer is either delusional or paranoid or a little of both. Freedom of worship is freedom of religion and vice-versa. Nobody is threatening to abolish the Catholic Mass or the First Holy Communion, for God's sake. Freedom of worship also allows Moslems, yes them, to worship freely in this American society. And the same goes for Wiccans and their rituals honoring their nature gods. And for Mormons to do whatever it is they do inside those temples. Chill out Catholics! Obama is not threatening your religion. Separation of Church and State Forever.
I am an atheist, that said, Christians think of me as a sinner; Christians also think of themselves as sinners, albeit saved ones. This is equality. I started to worry about Obama and religion when Ed Schultz especially, and the Obama team in general, used Jesus as a crutch supporting universal health care and raising taxes. The former President was painted as a religious nut case but the current President was cheered on for his higher, if unevidenced, spirituality. Atheists don't worship, perhaps we are last class dhimmis in the new America. We didn't have to worry about that under Christian-influenced government. By the way, I voted for Palin, McCain just happened to be at the top of the ticket.
You guys are all crazy, spouting your nonsense that President Obama is a Muslim and all that. Absolutely nuts. Since when has he been trying to push for ANY particular religion? You commenters are so irrational as to complain that he's both an atheist and a Muslim in the same sentence. Make up your minds, people! And perhaps base your opinions on evidence instead of irrational prejudice. Perhaps that is why I choose to WORSHIP from home these days.
In reading the quote by Professor Carl Esbeck, I became confused. Why should America be responsible to seek to repair relations fractured by 9/11??? Did America fracture relations or did the Muslim world. Why don't THEY seek to repair relations??? Carl Esbeck, professor of law at the University of Missouri, is quoted by Christianity Today as saying, "The softened message is probably meant for the Muslim world, said. Obama, seeking to repair relations fractured by 9/11, is telling Islamic countries that America is not interfering with their internal matters."
FormerLifeLongCatholic, you are right that those who voted for Obama, or any other politician that supports Pro-Choice (or as I say "Pro-Murder), should stay seated during Communion. I wrote our Bishop about this very subject last year and I got the typical answer about all of us being God's children and we should be tolerant and pray for conversion. I responded by telling the Bishop that many have left the Catholic Church because the Church won't remove Pro-Choice parishoners and priests from their roles. I have several Catholic friends who voted for Obama who say they did so because they are not "one issue" voters. Well, if sanctity of the womb and protecting the life of the unborn is not the number one issue we should be voting for, then what is? We are losing our country to those who don't abort their children. Is it any wonder that it appears that God has turned his back on us?
If you ask me, "freedom of worship" is more inclusive than "freedom of religion," not less. People of many practices do not consider their beliefs to constitute a religion. There is no threat here. The president should be able to use a thesaurus without provoking the ire or entire organizations.
What we need is freedom FROM religion.
Thank you for this informative article. Words do have meanings; by Barack Obama's use of different words to describe our 'Freedom of Religion' to now be, 'Freedom of Worship' shows a decided move in Obama's interpretation of the Constitution's Bill of Rights. Could it be that Barack Obama is a President AND Supreme Court all rolled into one deceptive man of questionable background? I have to wonder why it is Barack Obama's duty to 'reach out' to this planet's Muslims in order to 'repair' our relationship with them after the Muslim Jihadi terrorists flew airplanes into buildings, murdering 3,000 of our countrymen. I think this is foolishness on the part of Barack Obama and I question Obama's true motivations in talking bad about America to the believers of the political ideology that killed Americans on September 11, 2001 and during other Muslim Jihadi terrorist attacks since 1979. America has changed a lot since Barack Obama 'took' the Office of the President, particularly our language and our economy. Based on this article, it looks like Barack Obama is making inroads at changing what is 'religion', too.
Good grief. Such hysteria, knee-jerk reactions, fantasy and hatred displayed by those who would profess religion. Shame on those who display such disrespect for the Office of the President and Mr. Obama. He is no better or no worse than any other president who has resided in the White House. The major, deep-seeded racism that permeates society once again simply was brought to the surface when this mixed race man was elected. He is so incredibly much better than George W. Bush, there is simply no comparison. Racism is ugly and those who embrace it always try to mask it by calling it other bogeyman names. This is America. The religious simply must learn to live with the idea that there are many of us who are NOT religious, and the numbers are growing. We demand that our voices be heard, too. Being non-religious does not mean lawlessness, anarchy or any other fear-mongering false description the religious like to parade around to "demonstrate" their "superiority" -- and to raise funds. We are all human beings, the religious and non-religious, we follow the law, we all strive to be gentle, kind people who try to help others. Religion has nothing to do with anything, it is all about an orderly society. It would serve this country well if the religious would not fear those who do not believe as they do, who do not blindly follow some unproven dogma or who are otherwise different from them. Those who profess to be religious are the ones who seem to wish harm to those who are not. Just what kind of religion would approve?
I don't care what emanates from the White House as far as redefining our basic Freedoms..Our Founding Fathers said it best in the Bill of Rights and that is what i will stick with... Freedom of Religion...Freedom of Worship....does worship of a rock, or planets, or a tiki mask, even remotely compare with worship within a religion with a set of beliefs ?..
Subtle changes in language aren't very meaningful when they come from a politician who lies outright. We were clearly and repeatedly told before the healthcare bill that no federal taxpayer money would go toward funding abortions. Obviously it was a total lie. We were clearly told that there would be no federal tax increases for anyone making less than $200K per year (or couples making less than $250K per year). Government lawyers are now in court arguing that the 'penalty' for not buying government mandated insurance is just a federal tax.Obviously this was another total lie. Even if Obama was still using the expression "freedom of religion", it would be meaningless.
All you Catholics who voted for this man should be ashamed. Especially when the church takes a huge financial hit from BO's new tax policy regarding charitable donations. Oh yes, and don't forget that we will now help to pay for women to kill their unborn babies. You can not be a good Catholic and support this man.
Seems to me that most commenters here have an irrational fear of Obama. I suspect that is because he has a different background than the typical old white men in suits that we are used to. I doubt it will help you, but you should be aware that the president has much less power than you assume. No, he cannot single-handedly impose Sharia law on the United States, as some of you fear. Nor can he change the Constitution. Regarding the article, I think it is a bit overly hysterical too. None of the issues mentioned (abortion, contraception, marriage, the family, and gender) were ever subject to limitation because of so-called "freedom of religion." The Free Exercise Clause give you the personal right to practice your religion freely, but it does not give you the right to tell others how to live.
Seek God's mercy on our entire nation's behalf.
If "freedom of religion" is offensive to Muslims ... tough noogies. Islam begins with "kill all the infidels" and kind of goes downhill from there. Given that just the very EXISTENCE of other religions offends Muslims, forget about any reaching out to them.
All member of religion need to oppose any infringements passed upon them by Obama and crew. The Bill of Rights says "freedom of religion" not freedom of worship. As for Catholics and Protestants, a big mistake was made in the last election. Religion is not pick and choose what you want to believe. You either accept it all or none of it. We say we are Catholic or Lutheran, but in truth we are not. I believe, this has lead to a decline in our morals and what we are willing to accept as the norm in our lives. Just look at current music, movies and television. At the same time, churches shouldn't tell us who to vote for, but they may point out which candidates are pro-anti-life. We have separation of church and state, and this is a good thing because it allows all of us, all religions toleration. I believe that many people did not study the candidates and their positions well enough in the last election. I believe that here came an articulate black man, who proposes hope, change, unity not division. He was/is the media darling. The media pumped up his campaign, not asking him the hard questions. They demonized anyone like Palin or Joe the Plumber who did. Since Obama assumed power, he has pursued policies that he said he would This is what the majority of Americans voted for. Now there seems to be a buyers remorse. More than ridding ourselves of these Progressives, we need to find our morals again. We need to stand for what is right, not what is convenient. We must respect all life from the unborn to the elderly. Freedom of religion, as our Founders believed, will help us get back onto that path
Words mean things. We've all been raised to understand that. For instance, look at the words from the White House spokesman: "Obama, seeking to repair relations fractured by 9/11, is telling Islamic countries that America is not interfering with their internal matters." Relations fractured by 9/11? So, now it's OUR fault that Islamist terrorists destroyed our buildings? This Administration is the greatest threat to freedom in the United States since World War II. Except this time, the attack isn't coming from the outside, but from within. Quite frankly, when the final epithet of America is written, it will be in these simple words: Death by cancerous decay caused by liberalism - both political and religious. The_Pilgrim
Freedom of speech is important. Let them say what they want, just get them out of public office ASAP. Clinton and Obama are a sad chapter in U.S. history.
Along the same lines of 'changing a single word to effect the definition of the original' there is another that is being systematically replaced in the various branches of government. The word 'representative' is rapidly being orphaned in the various houses of congress, and even in the white house itself. Instead of saying 'We were elected to represent the people of our state', or 'As a representative of the people', or 'We need to remember that we were elected to represent the views and desires of the voters', a new word is being used - and that word changes the basis of government entirely. That word, is 'leader'. Numerous political representatives seem to no longer see we, the people, as the leaders of our own political system. Rather, they now say 'I was elected to lead the people', or 'As leaders of our country, we need to make these decisions', and 'I am the chosen leader of the people'. Leader is not representative. It is the opposite. Stay tuned for even more wordplay as time goes by, I'm sure there will be more.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" Remind me, which part actually says "freedom of religion"?
Catholics MUST start voting their beliefs. The protection of innocent life and the sanctity of the family come before so-called social justice. This means that the Democrats must go. They are all pro-abortion, pro euthanasia, pro-gay marriage, anti school choice, and generally anti-family. All of this far outweighs any positive "social justice" initiatives they propose. After all, welfare has done as much to destroy the family (particularly the biblically-based, father-led family) than anything to come out of Hollywood. So much for the benefits of liberal social justice.
The xenophobic racism that we see from organizations like the Tea Party have no place in my religion or in Catholic Online. What this article is inferring is that because Obama is some pseudo-Muslim he will somehow chill our religious freedom. For want of a better word this is pure garbage. Through out our history freedom or religion and freedom to worship have been interchangeable and the writer of this article should know it. 24 of the 50 state constitutions (the vast majority in the Bible Belt) do not refer to freedom of religion but guarantee freedom to worship. Are we to say that Arkansas, Kentucky, and Maine are moving toward quashing religious freedom because there guiding documents don't use the magic words "freedom of religion" ? Of course not. But if a Black guy with a funny last name says it, suddenly he will be taking our freedoms away. That is poppy-cock. Look I don't agree with everything Obama does, but from day one he has been attacked without even giving him a chance to succeed. I suspect racism, and this article is trying to smear him. There are real reasons why we as Catholics don't agree with the President's policies but I prefer that you criticize him on issues that are real not on some made up, baseless, conspiracy theories.
President Bush marked "Religious Freedom Day"--celebrating the 1786 adoption of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom--by acknowledging that the right to worship freely is fundamental to America's democratic creed. "My administration continues to support freedom of worship at home and abroad," he said this week. --http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubid.3233/pub_detail.asp A lot of presidents have used that phrase, including George W Bush. And it's just now a problem because...?
Although Mr Sly may be justifiably worried about the atheist Left curtailing religious freedoms, his article is a good example of just how confused and unbiblical the thinking is of many of today's so called Christians and religious commentators. The story of the Tower of Babel is meant as a warning to us that the God of the Jews and Christians isn't big on multi-culti - for the simple reason that where there is multi-culti there is also a multitude of heathen, pagan and anti-Christian religions which are abominations to God. What kind of Christian, I ask myself, defends what they know to be detested by the God they claim to worship and follow. The French and Dutch governments have banned the wearing by Muslim women of the head scarf and Burkah and the German government has banned them in schools ostensibly, for the reason that they are a symbol of the suppression of women in Islam. However it is also an attempt by European nations to retain their Christian identities in the face of growing Islamic fundamentalism by the tens of millions of Europe's Muslims. France's banning the wearing of ostentatiously large crucifixes was made as a sop to critics who argued that Islam was being unfairly treated. Dr Peter Wood
The US should not be fearful of whether the President stresses religious freedom or worship. We should instead be fearful of those who see a conspiracy in every word spoken, and every gesture made. The comments I just read are filled with paranoia. So what if the phrase "religious worship" is used interchangeably with "religious freedom." The fact of the matter is that within the US we still have religious freedom to worship. You people are fear-mongers and conspiracy theorists with NO backing. Keep your paranoia to yourselves, please.
Ruben, if your best defense against opposition is to play the race card, I suggest you brush up on political knowledge to use at your disposal instead of a phony battle cry. The only reason racism exists at all in this country is because people like you desperately try to create it. Those are divisive tactics, and you should be ashamed.
I thank God everyday for President Obama, who is a practicing Christian, and Hillary Clinton who was raised as a Methodist and worships with her husband , a Baptist. They are by upbringing and their very prayerful lives emmencely important to the healing of our world's wounds. This article, I believe, raises an important issue but then fails to tell us in a convincing way what this change in vocabulary means. I think the author did 1/3 of his job. He left too much unanswered and simply left the door open for more vile, unsubstantiated cruel unchristian hate mongering toward out President. Hate, and the use of vile hate filled rhetoric is a mortal , not a venial sin, and requires confession before you go to communion. The rabid far right has no monopoly on righteousness, and do not deserve to have their nakedly political sniping on what should be a religious web site.
I believe that the most correct view of worship encompasses everything we do to bring honor to God. Regardless of the intent in this change in language, I believe it is a more accurate and liberating expression to identify our freedom and align ourselves with the principle of Romans 12:1. We should take advantage of it.
Rueben why do you inject race into this discussion without a shred of evidence. When this happens it is a sure sign you have nothing of value to add. Please stop speculating that your fellow Catholics who happen to disagree with you are somehow racist!! Sheeeeeeshhh!!!!
Ruben, nice point. I did not know that about the state constitutions.
Elwood (July 18, 2010), I could not agree with you more. Very well said. I am appalled at the the disrespect, blatent expessions of hostility and hatred directed toward our president that are being expressed. (Can you say anti-Obama Jihad?) Yes, yes, there is freedom of speech, but what I find to be most ironic and sad is the vitriole expressed by so-called "Christians." Woe to you hypocrites! Frankly i think that some of the comments should have been edited out by Catholic Online as being violative of their policies for civility and appropriateness of content. Regardless, I shall pray for one and all, including President Obama.
We have freedom of religion now but will we have it in the near future? If this President is allowed another four years, no one will be able to recognize the U.S. as we now know it. Why does Obama feel a need to change the terminology of the constitution?. I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to make our Arab neighbors feel better. If it was up to them all Christians would be put to death. That is what Jihad is all about. No religion other than Islam is tolerated. All Catholics and other religions need to wake up before it is to late. The anti-christ may be coming sooner than we think. Any one who sanctions the killing of unborn babies and the euthanizing of the elderly because they might cost the nation a little more money can not call himself a Christian. Obama is not a Christian. All anyone needs to do is investigate his most recent membership in Rev. Wright's church. He was a member for over twelve years. He couldn't sit and listen to the man's rantings without being indoctriated.
So Catholics voted in mass for Obama and got him. They pushed for Obama's Healthcare, and got it. They are pushing for environmental responsibility under the banner of "Cap & Trade" (but they don't understand what's really behind it). They push for "Social Justice" because it sounds nice (but they don't understand what's really behind it). I talk to Priests every week who are asleep at the switch with regards to history and where we could easily be headed. Too many people reading this article will go back to their TV and American Idol and will vote their Progressive Senators and Congressman back into office . . . and then they will wonder how they lost their freedoms?! Have Catholics been paying attention to what is going on? -- Because there will be a test this November and America's future depends on the right answer.
Marie, President Obama didn't "change the terminology of the Constitution." He used a phrase that other presidents, including George W. Bush (quoted and cited above) have used. Often. I don't know why the author of this piece only mentioned Democrats who said it, but other presidents used that very phrase and not infrequently. Why did no one accuse Bush of "changing the terminology of the Constitution?" I understand some of you have concerns about the president, but at least be fair. He said something other presidents, including Republicans, have said. If it's problem that he said it, then it's a problem that they said it.
Just an observation. Glenn Beck makes mention of Catholic online yesterday. Wham here they come to make their phoney 2 bit criticisms of Tea Party, catholics, Republicans. Now I am waiting for someone to blast Sarah Palin and it will be complete.
After reading this article I believe it deserves another headline that sums it up perfectly.. "SAVE IT FOR SUNDAY" I believe that the mincing of words is to slowly create a populace who believes its only "religious freedom" IS in-house/church worship and that there is no "freedom" to spread the word, evangelize or form public opinions based on one's own religious dogma. And in time when the state becomes the official religion and it "gracefully bestows" your right to worship will people possibly, finally, realize what has happened to this great county. If the current play on words stays in effect for the next 6 years you will see a group of people who in everyday life will have unconsciously substituted the word "worship" for "freedom". As I am married to a teacher who has worked in both secular and catholic environments I urge all parents to watch your childrens history books over the next 6 years for the word "worship"
Considering all the people who consider Obama their 'messiah' - it should be clear why he uses the term 'Worship'. But to play devil's advocate - I dread the day that 'freedom or Religion' is used to both justify, and legalize Jihad. A balance needs to be set. Islamists make a mockery of Religion.
If indeed majority of Catholics voted for Obama its because majority of the Catholics do not even believe in what they profess, they do not practice their faith as our Lord spelled it out in the gospels and gave authority to the church. Many Catholics are like zombies at church. Going once a week is not enough, saying grace is not enough, good deeds are not enough, being a 'good person' is not enough. Majority of the Catholics do not even believe in the real presence of our Lord in the Eucharist. Lets begin with that. If you are truly led by the holy spirit, he will lead you in the right path. "If Catholics truly believed in what they said, they would be on their hands and knees begging for it." - Anonymous.
I am enjoying most of the above comments. Many ask, "Why did most Catholics vote for Obama?" My answer is OUR LIBERAL CLERGY. Does aka Fr. Mike Pflager who was Obama's campaign man, aka Fr. Jenkins President of Notre Dame U, aka Sr. Carol Keehan endorsing Obama Care ring a bell? The list of liberal left Bishops and priests goes on and on. FormerLifeLongCatholic please come back to the faith. You did what the LEFT wants you, me and everyone esle to do. DROP OUT. Come back not because of them but inspite of them and fight them.
If HRC is so anti-Christian, why did she teach Sunday School?
Of the two African American related candidates running in 2008, i said Alan Keys was the better man. GS
Wow. Reading this forum, one has to dodge the number of stones being hurled about by Republicans masquerading as oh-so-pious devotees of the Faith. Up in arms because more Catholics voted for Obama last election... Guess what, most voters were fed up of the previous 8 years regime's legacy: two wars-of-choice, together with the consequent deaths of 'not-worth-counting' numbers of innocents along with the guilty. Where were the protestations and denunciations then? God bless Obama. Even if some posters think his heart is atheist, its easy for God to use that to steer the world back on the road towards peace...
Good news folks, November 2nd, 2010 is coming, a very important mid-term election day is coming, so enough of the complaining and now we must begin to pushback.
To those who say, "don't worry it's just interchangeable words the president and Clinton spoke". I warn, that attitude is like the driver of a speeding car ignoring all the warnings that there is a bridge out up ahead. The efforts of this administration to force its immoral agenda on us, is obvious. I see this wording of "freedom to worship" as an attack on religious freedom that will tear down the building blocks of constitutional rights that support the CONSCIENCE CLAUSE. Since the Catholic Church is a big defender of human rights, it is under attack too. In their big effort to push government control of our health care, this administration systematically picks away at the firm foundation that supports our choice to say NO, I WILL NOT DO HARM to another human being in practice of medicine. In order to keep up with the global momentum of the "culture of death", the path needs to be cleared of opposition to abortion and euthanasia. In America, we love our BILL OF RIGHTS and Constitution, so the administration has to take baby steps, insidiously in that direction, all the while, cutting away our right to life from conception to natural death.
Words matter. Obama and Clinton are highly skilled as "manipulators" through deceptive verbiage while succeeding to eliminate "religion" period. It is nothing more than another way to pacify anyone who is against another "religion" and to satisfy the muslins. There is nothing that Clinton and Obama have to say about "religion" and "worship" that I respect! They are master minds to "distort" fundamental truths of Christianity!!!!! This is definitely not a good thing and I will never ever submit to whatever the President of the United States and Clinton tells us how we are to worship period!! I will continue to be a "Roman Catholic" in everyway! I will continue to defend the Catholic church. . "In the Second Vatican Council's Declaration of Religious Freedom entitled "Dignitatis Humanae", the Church summarizes this right: "Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ."
Sounds like paranoid fearmongering to me, I thought the Catholics were more immune to that unlike crackpot Evangelicals. Ironic since the Catholic Church was no friend of religious freedom until others forced them to be civilized
GW Bush never changed the word "religion" to "worship" in any of his speeches as far as I know. Where did we go wrong? John McCain is such a righteous man. Sara Palin and the Tea Party will save this country in 2012!
Dear Catholics around the world. Let's all Pray to GOD the FATHER and JESUS CHRIST the SAVOIUR & REDEEMER. May our religion getting stronger and be BLESS. May One Day GOD give us GOOD leader(Perhaps A Catholic President) Amen
Some of the comments here are thoroughly ignorant and hateful. As a Catholic,I'm confident the nation will survive the present Presidency. I would also remind you all THAT WE DID HAVE A CATHOLIC PRESIDENT. (he also had a few flaws) Please stop with the paranoid hate mongering-it's embarrassing.
I couldn't agree more with David Zawistowski. As a Catholic I believe our most important role and responsibility is to engage with the world, it's people, it's politics - as disoriented as they may be - and not to retreat into paranoia, ignorant posturing and hateful speech. The present president is no greater risk to the Church than any other president. As always the greatest risk to the church is the mindlessness of its members.
I believe that it'd be good if 'freedom of religion' is to be changed to 'freedom of worship' in the Constitution, because there are some religious practices that are against the law. ex. If my religion states that it's okay for me to kill others outside of my religion, and I get arrested for murder, then there's a conflict between my religious practices and the law, therefore no true freedom of religion in the first place. So, as long as your religious practices don't come into conflict with others' rights, then the change from 'religion' to 'worship' shouldn't affect you.
That is the best article I have ever seen people need to see whats going on.
Read a lot of comments about how BHO got into office and the blame game that is taking place. Fact, regardless of who did it, the majority voted and now we have to live with it (at least for a while). Media (most anyway) did nothing to probe the depth of BHO's true nature and made no issue of his background. Many attacked any inquisition into the man's background, thoughts, ideas, past dealing, or any historical facts, by making claims of racism if there was any questions or issues BHO generated by his comments or past. Thanks Revend Al! Good, now you have what you got. Haven't you noticed the people who are in power in the USA (media, politicians, ACLU ETC) have a value system that is all screwed up? Then they blame the rich for all the US's problems (I am poor by the way). Bottom line, people did not get past the color of his skin, due to liberal media, and were unable to judge him by the content of his character. Unfortunately, there were not enough of us who have the gift of discernment who understood what "hope and change" really meant by this radical nut job. There is a silver lining to all of this: we all understand the directions liberals want to take the USA. Vote these people out ASAP and keep them out forever! Good Day and God Bless everyone.